tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post766424699297740446..comments2023-09-05T12:51:25.656-05:00Comments on edittorrent: Let's Talk About MenEdittorrenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14295505709568570553noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-47183138698186337482009-12-14T16:08:04.470-06:002009-12-14T16:08:04.470-06:00I enjoy reading and writing about broken men. A lo...I enjoy reading and writing about broken men. A lone wolf, a confused ghost, a dom searching for his perfect sub, all is well as long as he is strong and whatever is troubling him can only be fixed by a certain heroine. I love a bad boy who has a funny and sensitive side when he's with his lady. The hero must have a unique voice that makes him stand out because of his sarcastic nature or deeply troubled past. Again, I love my heroes broken and reluctant when his woman wants to patch him up with her pretty pink duct tape!Pauline Allanhttp://www.paulineallan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-34994563737682207122009-12-13T14:41:18.383-06:002009-12-13T14:41:18.383-06:00Ah, AmyB, interesting you should say that. I hadn...Ah, AmyB, interesting you should say that. I hadn't really thought about it in those terms before, but in the stuff I write, the bad boys usually lose out to the smart, sweet, geeky types. Must be wish fulfillment on my part... Hehe.<br /><br />Word verification: crybyDave Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00773380114295267509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-8270036471616008282009-12-12T23:21:32.481-06:002009-12-12T23:21:32.481-06:00I like smart, sweet, somewhat geeky heroes, and un...I like smart, sweet, somewhat geeky heroes, and unfortunately for me they rarely appear in romance novels. Some examples I liked: Kel-Patan in "Games of Command," Miles Vorkosigan in Bujold's SFF series, Antryg Windrose in Barbara Hambly's fantasy series, Edward in Elizabeth Hoyt's "The Raven Prince." I like a little vulnerability in a hero. I can't stand rakes, bad boys, or overbearing men. I know my tastes are atypical. It's hard for me to find romance novels with the right kind of hero for me.AmyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02636921840451091870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-39126807729528670302009-12-12T15:44:27.135-06:002009-12-12T15:44:27.135-06:00I like the bad boy type, the one who appears to ha...I like the bad boy type, the one who appears to have a tough exterior but we all know with the right persistent female he's going to open up eventually.Lea Schizas - Author/Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00601019891218214541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-25146563834110549272009-12-12T11:15:43.929-06:002009-12-12T11:15:43.929-06:00Jenny, I don't remember a post on that specifi...Jenny, I don't remember a post on that specific issue, but we can certainly do one. I'll add it to the queue.<br /><br />I've had a lot of tenuous thoughts running through my mind about the Exalted Nature of Romance (note caps) and all this hero talk ties into it. If I can congeal the brain mist, I might do a post on this, too. Romance hits a powerful button for so many women, and some men. If art is an expression of the human condition, romance novels express something meaningful. Something to do with redemption. <br /><br />TheresaEdittorrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295505709568570553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-83668948150682557772009-12-12T02:50:24.685-06:002009-12-12T02:50:24.685-06:00@Leona - How could I forget James T Kirk!? He'...@Leona - How could I forget James T Kirk!? He's definitely added to the list.<br /><br />@Jordan - <i>Hey, let's don't forget that Han Solo sells out to the establishment. And his rank is General.</i><br /><br />Well, it depends on who you consider to be the establishment . . . and I believe he wasn't made a General until <i>Return of the Jedi</i>. I first fell in love with him when he was a Captain. :-)Natalie Bowershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12513595618990238029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-20345610652499623892009-12-11T22:26:17.484-06:002009-12-11T22:26:17.484-06:00I know I'm late to this...but my favorite hero...I know I'm late to this...but my favorite heroes are my favorites for two qualities...honor, and humility. I hate arrogance in a man, and absolutely love it when he's so sure of himself that he doesn't need to brag or advertise his skills, powers, knowledge, etc. If he's totally willing to be underestimated, I love it!Kathleen MacIverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16445884398825552734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-57962136628216605672009-12-11T21:10:14.821-06:002009-12-11T21:10:14.821-06:00Tricksters. I adore smart, capable, tricksters.
A...Tricksters. I adore smart, capable, tricksters.<br /><br />Anyone can have a gun, wear black, or be angsty. Give me a man who can play one man against another, work with what he has, and still get out without detection any day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-18895289941541307562009-12-11T19:54:08.578-06:002009-12-11T19:54:08.578-06:00Leona, we are so on the same page!
And I must add...Leona, we are so on the same page!<br /><br />And I must add of Captain Kirk, in a not-read-any-books-only-seen-the-movie sort of way, that his diversity makes him appealing. The wounded, rebellious past, and yet a man still willing to take on different challenges. Bold with women and capable of respect at appropriate times. Funny, of course. And focused on his goal.<br /><br />Really interesting thoughts, everyone! Thanks for a stimulating post, TheresaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-7594894838638560802009-12-11T18:27:52.697-06:002009-12-11T18:27:52.697-06:00Hi Jenny,
Interrupt away. :)
I did a quick sear...Hi Jenny,<br /><br />Interrupt away. :)<br /><br />I did a quick search and couldn't find a post about that exact question, but you'll find lots of semi-relevant posts by clicking on the dialogue and dialogue tag labels on the right side of the page if you're reading this from the website. If there's just one man, you could refer to him as "the man" or "the suit" or something in between. So you'd only really need to differentiate the women: the redhead, the tall woman, the older woman, etc. Does that help?<br /><br />Jami G.Jami Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957122956518765455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-15260607113541536582009-12-11T18:10:02.804-06:002009-12-11T18:10:02.804-06:00Sorry to interrupt a very interesting thread--I sw...Sorry to interrupt a very interesting thread--I swear I read a post here once about handling dialogue when we don't know the names of the speakers. As in someone listening in on a conversation, say, between two women and a man. Like the first time one speaks you could say, "the man with the ill-fitting suit" but when that person speaks again, how would you identify him in a non-cumbersome way? That kind of a thing.<br /><br />But I can't find the post. If it rings a bell would you mind directing me?<br /><br />Thanks!Jennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-58298536578762582292009-12-11T17:24:28.893-06:002009-12-11T17:24:28.893-06:00Eva,
Yes, the bad boy heroes that ring true to me...Eva,<br /><br />Yes, the bad boy heroes that ring true to me (and that you can believe in a HEA and not just a Happily For Now) often are ones where the bad boy (rake, etc.) redeems himself. Sure, the heroine often has something to do with his choice, but it's more about his choice than her <b>changing</b> him. Because we all know that IRL you can't force someone else to change. :)<br /><br />Jami G.Jami Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957122956518765455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-9959494464129551152009-12-11T17:21:53.380-06:002009-12-11T17:21:53.380-06:00Wes:
How can he be the 'classic bad boy' ...Wes:<br /><br />How can he be the 'classic bad boy' when he did the predictable (yawn) seven year split? The horror! But, you devil, I noticed you were friends with the wife...do tell. (insert a hehehe here)<br /><br />Susan? You don't mind if I hold off on typing out the rest of your name, do ya? I always want to type Godfried. Earlier I made a note to self - it's not Godfried it's Got fried with an extra 't' in it - I’m thinking Tequila. :D I bet you had some interesting teasing in school... I just wanted to say, that with a name like Mitchell, I'm already swooning. Good Job! :D Who else thinks names are important? Could anyone be onboard with say: an alpha male named Francis? How about Dudley or Blex? I’m trying to imagine writing a scene where I’d have my heroine sigh, “Oh, Franny, you really do it for me.” Gag! Am I being mean or did the big ‘S’ know what he was talking about with the 'rose' analogy. <br /><br />Murphy <br /><br />word verifiction - no shit: cwuzzin - sounds like Elmer Fudd saying he's heading out to pick up chicks!Riley Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15817930302085699222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-60493686965822599732009-12-11T17:11:22.176-06:002009-12-11T17:11:22.176-06:00Wes, wow. I feel bad for her. No one gets married ...Wes, wow. I feel bad for her. No one gets married with the hopes of endless emotional turmoil.<br /><br />Jordan, that is sooo cool-a savior complex, you're right. How about that for a character flaw--wow, wow, wow. I learn so much on this blog it's like crack. <br /><br />I guess my one caveat is that I did marry a bad boy, a real one, but when we met he had already saved himself.Eva Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08834856467514439544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-80371391920488086312009-12-11T16:35:47.471-06:002009-12-11T16:35:47.471-06:00@Eva—We DO think we can save them! It's a savi...@Eva—We DO think we can save them! It's a savior complex, and I and many women I know have been there. (Unfortunately, many of us have little to nothing beautiful about our nightmares.)<br /><br />(Weird, random fact--right now on Wikipedia, "savior complex" redirects to "Narcissistic Personality Disorder," defined as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy." Not quite the same thing....)Jordanhttp://jordanmccollum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-59328607526789352762009-12-11T15:49:01.712-06:002009-12-11T15:49:01.712-06:00Eva,
A friend of mine was married to a classic bad...Eva,<br />A friend of mine was married to a classic bad boy who was nominated for two Academy awards and two Golden Globes, and won a Cannes award (who knows, he might win more; he's still making films). She described the seven years much like a beautiful nightmare.Weshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03077791761104576436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-6687112901928474292009-12-11T15:01:11.225-06:002009-12-11T15:01:11.225-06:00Jordan, I know! that is one amazing cliffhanger!
...Jordan, I know! that is one amazing cliffhanger! <br /><br />Jami G, I thought the same myself-that's a great story to draw a certain character out of and put the spotlight on. <br /><br />Theresa, the alpha asshole...I can tolerate him IF he is crafted well and the heroine is an equal match. I cannot stand to see a heroine walked over and TSTL though. And he's going to have to have a major internal character arch to go with. <br /><br />I think a bad boy/rougue is Sean Penn, and his wife and he recently divorced? Again? I remember Robin saying that being married to him was a beautiful nightmare. I could be wrong, but those words stuck in my head. <br /><br />I think the draw of those men bad boys/rogues is the wanting to be the transformational catalyst for them-that's the romantic-we can save them idea, but being actually married to one? A beautiful nightmare.Eva Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08834856467514439544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-11634530147834734872009-12-11T15:00:18.242-06:002009-12-11T15:00:18.242-06:00I grew up with my mother telling me heroes are fab...I grew up with my mother telling me heroes are fabulous... but totally hard to live with. They have a code of honor and if there's a battle to be fought, the hero will go because he *has* to go. It's who he is. So I've always looked at that type of guy as sexy as all hell but with its own, unique set of hurdles as a lover/husband.<br /><br />JTJulie Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880895598847092028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-31307597246472934612009-12-11T14:48:21.402-06:002009-12-11T14:48:21.402-06:00What I find so interesting about all this is how o...What I find so interesting about all this is how open to interpretation it is. I mean, can we all agree on the exact place to draw the line between alpha and asshole? Or is assholery, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder?<br /><br />I love Han Solo. *swoon* <br />Jack Sparrow *swoonswoon*<br />We could use more bad boy/rogue hybrids like them. But would any of us want to marry a guy like that in real life?<br /><br />And the lone wolf. Anyone see William Hurt in Jane Eyre? I know, a blond Rochester, who would think that could work. But he was amazing. The man was brimming with agony. <br /><br />TheresaEdittorrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295505709568570553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-30118230777475836492009-12-11T14:32:43.376-06:002009-12-11T14:32:43.376-06:00I attended a workshop a few years ago a the RWA ab...I attended a workshop a few years ago a the RWA about hero types and the author was very clear about an Alpha Hero *not* being a domineering jerk. Alpha, she said, are heroes through and through -- the type who protect and defend. He can have a bold, strong, determined personality without having to or even wanting to control or dominate the people are him. She also pointed out that that kind of hero needs a strong heroine who can keep the home and family safe and secure while he's out fighting the war he feels honor bound/loyal bound to fight. That whole matching of equals, which I'm a firm believer in as well. :)<br /><br />JTJulie Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880895598847092028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-91928515231602601002009-12-11T14:06:22.595-06:002009-12-11T14:06:22.595-06:00Eva,
What a good point about people being an Alph...Eva,<br /><br />What a good point about people being an Alpha in the right situation. I've know far too many of those geeks who become Alphas (the jerk kind, unfortunately) in their territory. I could see this working in a storyline. A beta-type that the heroine doesn't quite respect enough to fall for until she him in a situation taking charge and showing her a whole new side to his personality.<br /><br />Jami G.Jami Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957122956518765455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-79158876788701668942009-12-11T14:05:44.621-06:002009-12-11T14:05:44.621-06:00@Eva—Neal is great.
DID YOU SEE THE END OF THE FA...@Eva—Neal is great.<br /><br />DID YOU SEE THE END OF THE FALL FINALE?!?!?! Holy CRAP what is going on?!Jordanhttp://jordanmccollum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-58757069413738474352009-12-11T14:04:39.056-06:002009-12-11T14:04:39.056-06:00Hey, let's don't forget that Han Solo sell...Hey, let's don't forget that Han Solo sells out to the establishment. And his rank is General.<br /><br />I think I married my ideal hero type—somebody who has the appeal (or appearance?) of a bad boy, but none of the actual "bad" to go with it. It just took some time for me (the heroine?) to figure that out.Jordanhttp://jordanmccollum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-83499347809747071102009-12-11T13:56:19.229-06:002009-12-11T13:56:19.229-06:00I think Neal Caffery in White Collar is my perfect...I think Neal Caffery in White Collar is my perfect hero at this point. The Anti Hero. :-) He's a bad boy, but he's smart, charming and doing the right thing within his own motivations. Then there's another Anti hero--Puck, from Glee, but he's not trying to change at all (stealing $ from the bake sale to pay his babymomma). So, there's a line one must teeter. Cute ain't going to seal the deal. There has to be more. <br /><br />Personally, I've been thinking there is no Alpha. The geek is going to be an alpha in his own environment, no? And true leadership is teamwork so the (New) Alpha, to me, is one that works well with others. Even if he starts out as a lone wolf, he's brought into society by the woman, no? Enkidu? (That's the post I'm working on now)Eva Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08834856467514439544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6824896765631412903.post-55175215860885494422009-12-11T13:44:34.961-06:002009-12-11T13:44:34.961-06:00@Natalie :D I love your descriptions. Han Solo is ...@Natalie :D I love your descriptions. Han Solo is the perfect example! I'm also a Star Trek fan and I'd like to add Captain James T Kirk. (Can't forget him when talking of Captains we like :)<br /><br />@anonymous lol I don't know how to get here without signing in. I'm dependent on my dashboard now :)<br /><br />And I agree with Jewel Tone about Loyalty and Honor, but I might add looks good doing the dishes :PLeonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11786326364037397675noreply@blogger.com